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Post  neutralrobotboy on Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:43 pm

I don't know what the hell has gotten into me, but I've decided to start a blog on esoteric topics. I'm not entirely convinced it's a good idea for me, but what the hell, I'm gonna see how it goes. "Nis" is a transliteration of an Ancient Egyptian word meaning to "call out, summon". If anyone is interested in having a look, I've only had two posts so far, both on pretty basic topics. It's mostly a surface-level mind-dump about where my mind has been with some esoteric topics at the time of writing:

http://nis-esoterica.blogspot.com/

Feel free to leave comments here or there.

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Post  amandachen on Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:13 am

As far as I can tell, the reliance on Banishing Rituals goes back to The Golden Dawn.
The Golden Dawn invented exorcism? No.

No doubt there were rituals with similar functions before then, but in terms of widespread use, the GD seems to have really popularized the idea that a Banishing Ritual should...
The Golden Dawn, a secret society, really popularized this? No.
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Post  neutralrobotboy on Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:20 am

Fair enough on both counts, I suppose. I should say that it seems to have been popularized alongside the GD. Not by the GD itself. Oh, well.

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Post  amandachen on Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:02 am

I didn't mean to dissuade you from blogging. Keep going, and I'll keep my face out of your blog.
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Post  neutralrobotboy on Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:15 pm

amandachen wrote:I didn't mean to dissuade you from blogging. Keep going, and I'll keep my face out of your blog.

Do what you like. I tried to be careful about my words when making the GD claims at the beginning, so it's good at least that you made the second point. I'm not too worried about being dissuaded, so you shouldn't be too worried about dissuading me if you feel like it.

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Post  ankh_f_n_khonsu on Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:22 pm

Might you give us snips here when you make new posts Question

BTW - In pretty much any domain you'll probably find having a thick skin can be an invaluable quality. Wink
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Post  neutralrobotboy on Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:40 pm

ankh_f_n_khonsu wrote:Might you give us snips here when you make new posts Question

Hmm... Suppose I could. Something about that feels a bit pushy, though. We'll see.

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Post  ankh_f_n_khonsu on Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:19 pm

Nah. I wish more people were willing to share their thoughts/practices here.
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Post  Hadrianswall on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:25 pm

ankh_f_n_khonsu wrote:Might you give us snips here when you make new posts Question

BTW - In pretty much any domain you'll probably find having a thick skin can be an invaluable quality. Wink

please do. Its not pushy at all its 'without shame' infact Smile

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Post  Lucian Gerrit on Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:09 pm

Please keep us updated on your blog. I enjoyed reading through your thoughts and enjoy exposing my mind to new interpretations and thoughts.

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Post  worlock93 on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:21 pm

amandachen wrote:
As far as I can tell, the reliance on Banishing Rituals goes back to The Golden Dawn.
The Golden Dawn invented exorcism? No.

An exorcism and a banishing are two VERY different things.

No doubt there were rituals with similar functions before then, but in terms of widespread use, the GD seems to have really popularized the idea that a Banishing Ritual should...
The Golden Dawn, a secret society, really popularized this? No.

Yes, they did. The GD promoted the idea of banishing from the moment an individual entered the order. As point of fact the qabbalistic cross along with the lesser ritual of the pentagram (a GD invention) was the first ritual a member learned, many individuals were even given the ritual prior to even being initiated. Many, many individuals joined the various temples who had the idea of banishing ingrained into their practices who then went on to pass this way of thinking onto their own students and incorporate the practice into their own orders.

Oh, and lastly, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was in no way, shape, or form a "Secret Society." Maybe the RRetAC could be classified as such, but the GD was not. It's whole purpose was to be the public branch of the order proper, so as to recruit members and train initiates for the higher work.
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Post  amandachen on Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:45 pm

worlock93 wrote:
An exorcism and a banishing are two VERY different things.
Yes, very different. Because you say so.
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Post  neutralrobotboy on Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:00 pm

Warlock93:

Hmm...Maybe we're tripping over words already. I would consider exorcism a type of banishing, maybe I'm misunderstanding something. In any case, Regardie does point out at some stage that he believes that Eliphas Levi hints at precedents to the LBRP... Anyway, I think it's a fair enough point, it's just that my next sentence makes it an irrelevant criticsm.

Also, it may seem a bit pedantic, but in the way I meant it, the GD didn't popularize the LBRP and their attitude toward banishing, but rather their teachings did when they were published. The outer order was at least secret enough to not want their material to escape their organization. It was sorta Crowley and Regardie who bore most of the responsibility, and in both cases this was despite the resistance of GD (or active organizations claiming to be legitimate heirs in the case of Regardie). That said, I think your argument is also a good one. Had there not been so many GD initiates with this attitude ingrained, it wouldn't have been around to be popularized.

Anyway, I guess maybe I'll post here about new blog posts. In the future, should I make a separate forum post for each blog entry?
My follow-up treatment of the LBRP can be found here:
http://nis-esoterica.blogspot.com/2009/12/banishing-rituals-lbrp.html

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Post  ankh_f_n_khonsu on Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:39 pm

neutralrobotboy wrote:Anyway, I guess maybe I'll post here about new blog posts. In the future, should I make a separate forum post for each blog entry?
I vote for new threads for each topic. And kudos to you for the effort and sharing.
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