Understanding the real Templars and the Rosicrucians

As you all know if you didn't the templars and rosicrucians did really exist, after much research i have begun to understand where the secrets of all of the organizations have spread to, but to learn them you have to be a devoted civilian, you must do some community service but eventually you will learn all of the secrets and you will have built yourself a good future for yourself not just spiritually but financially as well.
The secrets of the templars and rosicrucians are for high magicians, for those of you who don't know what a high magician is, a high magician practices ceremonial magic. The templars secrets which are of high magicians as well as the rosicrucians have seperated into 3 different organizations.
There are the:
The Knights of Columbus (consists of the secrets but do not share that they do within the order).
The Knights of Pythias
&
The Freemasons

joining these 3 orders will show you the secrets of the templars for their secrets have been scattered into those 3 orders even though they will not claim to.
the rosicrucians in the other hand have 2 orders to join, one previously mentioned the other is up to you to find i can not lead you all towards the light. you must search for the light to attain it.
even though you may find these two orders the actual rosicrucians are still hidden and they are really whom the famous occultist Aleister Crowley claims to have been in. if you understand what i am saying or of whom i'm speaking of it would be good for you to keep it to yourself for others should search for the light to become a true magican, to become a master. If you want to join the one that crowley claims to have been in then you would have to know of all of the secrets. Though crowley does hold a big piece to the puzzle he is only a small piece to the complete search.
i hope this message will help you all in your journeys. Also as dion fortune has once mentioned, if you do not belong to an organization you will not understand the magic fully. So go out there and do what thou wilt for it is the whole of the law and the law is love.
In light,
Nicky Lubu

Are we really going to start this silliness again?

Nicky Lubu wrote:
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The secrets of the templars and rosicrucians are for high magicians, for those of you who don't know what a high magician is, a high magician practices ceremonial magic. The templars secrets which are of high magicians as well as the rosicrucians have seperated into 3 different organizations.

Except the simple fact that there is nothing "magical" to be found in any of the following organizations and only someone who is not a member would suppose so much about them. These groups teach morality, not magic.

There are the:
The Knights of Columbus (consists of the secrets but do not share that they do within the order).
The Knights of Pythias
&
The Freemasons

Freemasons: Didn't we already have this discussion?

Knights of Columbus: Founded in the 1880's as a mutual benefit society founded by catholics during the heyday of mutual benefit societies. Survives due to the prohibition on catholics joining Freemasonry.
Knights of Pythias: Founded in the 1860's as a mutual benefit society, also founded during the heyday of mutual benefit societies.

What I fail to understand is what the line of thinking is for choosing these two organizations? Why not Odd Fellows, The Grange and the Patrons of Husbandry, Redman or perhaps any one of the literally hundreds of insurance and/or temperance societies that popped up during the 19th and early 20th? Several of the Temperance societies even called themselves Templar, such as the International Order of Good Templars (because of the similarities between Templar and temperance) but why those two?

I mean, I like conspiracy nonsense as much as the next guy, but you have to at least try to manufacture a hypothesis made up of tenuous links that, while meaning nothing at all, gives it the air of validity. For example, why not choose the Orange Order? It's from the 18th century, its rituals are a knock off of masonic ritual, it's based around Catholic opposition and it has strong ties to Scotland. This ties into the Robert the Bruce / templar story. You see what I'm getting at? You need these little threads that connect the people / places / organizations together that, under any scrutiny, are entirely meaningless, but they'll make your uninformed reader go "ah ha, it's so obvious!" This works because conspiracy theory relies on two things 1) the ignorance of the person reading it, 2) the unlikely scenario of the reader looking for confirmation outside of conspiracy works.

joining these 3 orders will show you the secrets of the templars for their secrets have been scattered into those 3 orders even though they will not claim to.

Ahh, the old "they'll deny it, but it's really true" argument. Yes, and Jews all deny there is a international banking conspiracy, NASA denies faking the moon landing and almost everyone denies the International Illuminati exists, but this poorly researched book and / or some guy on the internet says so, it must be real. All those historians, academics, well researched books, actual freemasons and overwhelming majority of people who claim otherwise are all just liars. Just trying to hide something right?


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i am the source that's all you need to know.

Nicky Lubu wrote:i am the source that's all you need to know.

Fucking asshat.

o yea, well you smell.

Nicky Lubu wrote:As you all know if you didn't the templars and rosicrucians did really exist, after much research i have begun to understand where the secrets of all of the organizations have spread to, but to learn them you have to be a devoted civilian, you must do some community service but eventually you will learn all of the secrets and you will have built yourself a good future for yourself not just spiritually but financially as well.
The secrets of the templars and rosicrucians are for high magicians, for those of you who don't know what a high magician is, a high magician practices ceremonial magic. The templars secrets which are of high magicians as well as the rosicrucians have seperated into 3 different organizations.
There are the:
The Knights of Columbus (consists of the secrets but do not share that they do within the order).
The Knights of Pythias
&
The Freemasons

joining these 3 orders will show you the secrets of the templars for their secrets have been scattered into those 3 orders even though they will not claim to.
the rosicrucians in the other hand have 2 orders to join, one previously mentioned the other is up to you to find i can not lead you all towards the light. you must search for the light to attain it.
even though you may find these two orders the actual rosicrucians are still hidden and they are really whom the famous occultist Aleister Crowley claims to have been in. if you understand what i am saying or of whom i'm speaking of it would be good for you to keep it to yourself for others should search for the light to become a true magican, to become a master. If you want to join the one that crowley claims to have been in then you would have to know of all of the secrets. Though crowley does hold a big piece to the puzzle he is only a small piece to the complete search.
i hope this message will help you all in your journeys. Also as dion fortune has once mentioned, if you do not belong to an organization you will not understand the magic fully. So go out there and do what thou wilt for it is the whole of the law and the law is love.
In light,
Nicky Lubu

I am greatly sorry for my stupidity back in the day ladies and gentlemen.
Let me enlighten you on these orders Pythian knights practice a form of masonry, Knights of columbus just practice charity, i know their greatest secrets and its pretty lame, masons are solomonic, if youre looking for templar magic i would direct you towards Martinism or the Scottish Rite. Rosicrucians don't date back that far either. I was clearly a somewhat neophyte at the time, Crowley was one of the creators of the rosicrucians and the so called Christian Rosenkreutz.

So you're seriously saying that Aleister Crowley was one of the creators of the Rosicrucians?

well thats what i was told. the history was made up from what i understand, but don't get me wrong, i could be wrong, then again it could be right. You have to think, when did it go mainstream? then you have to think, who were the people whom held the rosicrucian documents? Nextly these "secret mystics" whom held the documents were they all in a fit at the time, were they disruptive towards each other. Who would claim this? if it existed prior to the Golden Dawn whos original secret was the hebrew alphabet, then who had the documents? was it really created in the 18th century? one has to question this. THEN again i think i am wrong because maybe mathers and westcott were the ones.

Thank you beautiful amanda for correcting me once again.
It seems that the ressurection of the rosicrucian manuscripts were a part the upbringing in the western esoteric tradition at around the time of the golden dawns upheaval, however the "rose+croix" has been around for a long time and seem to have practiced the practices of the mithraic belief system as the original upbringing of the order. Though i am not that interested in the history of occult orders i am more enthralled by the practices of the orders. you may correct me once again if im wrong however i will state the recent source as that of manly p. hall's secret teachings of all ages. i am 3 quarters of the way done with the book and see that in the end he has a couple of chapters on the order that i have not reached yet. He states a partial source from waites books on the history of the rosicrucian order. Anyways, the way i see it is, as long as my magick is accurate im fine with my practices.