Live Traffic Feed
Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
Occult.Digital.Mobilization :: Main Forums :: Western Magickal Tradition :: Ceremonial Magick :: Thelema, OTO & A.'.A.'.
Page 3 of 3 • Share •
Page 3 of 3 •
1, 2, 3
Homework
93
I would agree with the above comment, but, oh well. It would be nice to have a larger diversity of views. Maybe it will develop. I found the link to Jean Baudrillard to be interesting.
I meant to post earlier, but the internet ate my homework.
The expanded reading list in Magick in Theory and Practice, pp. 209-228 significantly differs from the original 13 volume reading list in The Equinox vol. 1, no. 7. Included are works of Eastern thought, as well as Western philosophers including Erdmann, Hermes Trismegistus, Cicero, Berkeley, Hume, Spencer, Huxley, and Kant. About these Crowley writes:
While it would appear that Crowley favours the period of the Enlightenment to his contemporaries in Western philosophy from the above, this is misleading. It should be remembered that Crowley was a wealthy Victorian with a Cambridge education in the classics of philosophy. Before that he grew up in an extremely devout fundamentalist Christian household (Plymouth Brethren, Darby’s dispensationalist sect). Crowley claimed that the only book he was allowed to read as a child was the Bible, and could quote extensively from memory. Crowley’s writings seem to assume a working knowledge of all these influences by the reader.
Regarding philosophy and magick Crowley writes:
It would appear that Crowley’s approach to both philosophy and religion are of a practical syncretistic focus from within a larger, self-determined viewpoint he calls the "Law of Thelema," “Scientific Religion,” or “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.” One might even say it has analogues in the modern understanding of Gnosticism, or Jungian Analytical Psychology.
93/93
Ben
I would agree with the above comment, but, oh well. It would be nice to have a larger diversity of views. Maybe it will develop. I found the link to Jean Baudrillard to be interesting.
I meant to post earlier, but the internet ate my homework.
frater_entheos
If I understand correctly, his "Prologomena" is required reading for the A.A.
The expanded reading list in Magick in Theory and Practice, pp. 209-228 significantly differs from the original 13 volume reading list in The Equinox vol. 1, no. 7. Included are works of Eastern thought, as well as Western philosophers including Erdmann, Hermes Trismegistus, Cicero, Berkeley, Hume, Spencer, Huxley, and Kant. About these Crowley writes:
“The object of this course of reading is to familiarize the student with all that has been said by the Great Masters in every time and country. He should make a critical examination of them; not so much with the idea of discovering where truth lies, for he cannot do this except by virtue of his own spiritual experience, but rather to discover the essential harmony in those varied works. He should be on his guard against partisanship with a favourite author. He should familiarize himself thoroughly with the method of mental equilibrium, endeavouring to contradict any statement soever, although it may be apparently axiomatic.” (Magick in Theory and Practice, p. 211)
While it would appear that Crowley favours the period of the Enlightenment to his contemporaries in Western philosophy from the above, this is misleading. It should be remembered that Crowley was a wealthy Victorian with a Cambridge education in the classics of philosophy. Before that he grew up in an extremely devout fundamentalist Christian household (Plymouth Brethren, Darby’s dispensationalist sect). Crowley claimed that the only book he was allowed to read as a child was the Bible, and could quote extensively from memory. Crowley’s writings seem to assume a working knowledge of all these influences by the reader.
Regarding philosophy and magick Crowley writes:
“What is true for every School is equally true for every individual. Success in life, on the basis of the Law of Thelema, implies severe self-discipline. Each being must progress, as biology teaches, by strict adaptation to the conditions of the organism… What is necessary is not to seek after some fantastic ideal, utterly unsuited to our real needs, but to discover the true nature of those needs, to fulfil (sic) them, and rejoice therein. This process is what is really meant by initiation; that is to say, the going into oneself, and making one’s peace, so to speak, with all the forces that one finds there.” (Magick Without Tears, pp. 88-89)
It would appear that Crowley’s approach to both philosophy and religion are of a practical syncretistic focus from within a larger, self-determined viewpoint he calls the "Law of Thelema," “Scientific Religion,” or “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.” One might even say it has analogues in the modern understanding of Gnosticism, or Jungian Analytical Psychology.
93/93
Ben

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
Assignment
93
I just got back from class. Tonight the topic was "Thelema and Western Philosophy." I must say that this was an informative and fun lecture. A highlight for me was the quote by Mr. Karras, "Magick is the phenomenology of religious experience."
The assignment for this week is:
"What is a symbol that is significant/interesting to you, why; and what is, or is there, validity to symbols?"
93/93
Ben
I just got back from class. Tonight the topic was "Thelema and Western Philosophy." I must say that this was an informative and fun lecture. A highlight for me was the quote by Mr. Karras, "Magick is the phenomenology of religious experience."
The assignment for this week is:
"What is a symbol that is significant/interesting to you, why; and what is, or is there, validity to symbols?"
93/93
Ben

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
"What is a symbol that is significant/interesting to you, why; and what is, or is there, validity to symbols?"
Like many, I'd align my formal introduction to this topic with Jung's Man and His Symbols, but it wasn't until I started tepidly delving into semiotics (by way of Umberto Eco) that things really started to get complex. Semiotics added a whole bunch of ambiguity into the mix for me, and it seriously impacted my dreamscapes.
I have affinity for different symbols at different times - according to context - but one of my current "favourites" is the archetypal 'burning heart'. I think it likely that this partly arises from my dabbling in the Sufi Way, where the heart is recognized as the only legitimate path to "the Beloved".
Like Jung, I think the "validity" of symbols lies is something inchoate... they're pre-Logos. For me, there's great value in escaping word-driven identity.
This sounds like another great topic for a discussion! Thanks for sharing!
_________________
"Sacred Activism is the fusion of the mystic's passion for God with the activist's passion for justice, creating a third fire, which is the burning sacred heart that longs to help, preserve, and nurture every living thing." - Andrew Harvey

Khephra- Number of posts: 700
Age: 44
Registration date: 2008-08-11
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
I view symbols as having their own intelligence, and they often seem to have an agenda quite separate from my own. When I was younger I used to combine a good bit of my "shamanic wanderings" with sigils, and I found great benefit in engaging these sigils in altered states.
For me, the validity in the power of symbols comes in their capacity to convey meaning and provoke change. But that's probably not always the case, because plenty of symbols have no relationship with change whatsoever...
These days I often try to push my meditations and workings past symbols, but it's not always very pleasant...
Thanks, Ben Stein, for sharing this experience with us!
For me, the validity in the power of symbols comes in their capacity to convey meaning and provoke change. But that's probably not always the case, because plenty of symbols have no relationship with change whatsoever...
These days I often try to push my meditations and workings past symbols, but it's not always very pleasant...
Thanks, Ben Stein, for sharing this experience with us!

ankh_f_n_khonsu- Number of posts: 395
Registration date: 2008-09-16
Homework
93
Personally, I find the Magen David (Star of David, interlocking triangles) particularly significant within both philosophical and familial contexts.
Crowley agrees with Spencer that the very act of perception (“the Point-Event”), filtered through our senses and interpreted by our minds, creates an exterior reality that is inherently illusory as it cannot be objectively explored. This leaves the individual’s reality or consciousness as Hadit, the microcosm.
According to Qabalah and traditional western Hermetic philosophy there is a law of correspondence between the individual (real - microcosm) and the symbolic (ideal - macrocosm). This is particularly significant as a means of communication (language itself being necessarily symbolic). Even in the psychodynamic schools of psychology, symbols are the expression of the unconscious (Freud) and/or archetypal mind (Jung). In both cases the symbol becomes an expression of the “Not-I,” or Nuit, the macrocosm.
The systematic examination of one’s internal world, “initiation,” eventually brings one to a rational understanding of Self. This together with the study of the symbolic system of the Qabalah and the development of the “Body of Light” (a vehicle that allows the individual to explore the more subtle realms outside of one’s consciousness), can bring the individual to a supra-rational understanding of Self and Truth. This union of the inner and outer is the goal of all mystico-religious systems.
93/93
Ben
Personally, I find the Magen David (Star of David, interlocking triangles) particularly significant within both philosophical and familial contexts.
“symbol…an object standing for or representing something else…” (Webster’s).
“…what we want is Truth; we want an even closer approach to Reality; and we want to discover and discuss the proper means of achieving this object.” (Crowley, Magick Without Tears, cap. 3)
“For in each Man his Inmost Light is the Core of his Star. That is, Hadit; and his Work is the Identification of himself with that Light.” (Crowley, Liber Aleph, cap. 1).
“Do thou study most constantly, my Son, in the Art of the Holy Qabalah… because thou wilt lay bare the very Structure of thy Mind… Not until the Universe is laid naked before thee canst thou truly anatomize it. The Tendencies of thy Mind lie deeper far than any Thought… This Way is most sure; most sacred… It is for the Great Souls to enter on this Rigour and Austerity.” (Crowley, Liber Aleph, cap. 2).
“Truth is our Path, and Truth is our Goal…” (Crowley, Little Essays Toward Truth, cap. 16).
Crowley agrees with Spencer that the very act of perception (“the Point-Event”), filtered through our senses and interpreted by our minds, creates an exterior reality that is inherently illusory as it cannot be objectively explored. This leaves the individual’s reality or consciousness as Hadit, the microcosm.
According to Qabalah and traditional western Hermetic philosophy there is a law of correspondence between the individual (real - microcosm) and the symbolic (ideal - macrocosm). This is particularly significant as a means of communication (language itself being necessarily symbolic). Even in the psychodynamic schools of psychology, symbols are the expression of the unconscious (Freud) and/or archetypal mind (Jung). In both cases the symbol becomes an expression of the “Not-I,” or Nuit, the macrocosm.
The systematic examination of one’s internal world, “initiation,” eventually brings one to a rational understanding of Self. This together with the study of the symbolic system of the Qabalah and the development of the “Body of Light” (a vehicle that allows the individual to explore the more subtle realms outside of one’s consciousness), can bring the individual to a supra-rational understanding of Self and Truth. This union of the inner and outer is the goal of all mystico-religious systems.
93/93
Ben

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
This just in...
93
What were your favorite and least favorite lecture topics?
I have enjoyed the classes that I’ve attended so far.
Were there any topics (either from the reading, Thelema/Crowleyanity, or simply occultism in general) you wish would have been treated more in-depth?
I would suggest more practical work, meaning something that was more than one weeks worth.
What were your favorite and least favorite readings in the reader?
Like Espinoza, I think it is more valuable to read source material rather than another’s interpretation of a writer.
Was the lecture and small group discussions format conducive to learning?
I thought the classes themselves seemed to progress well, but maybe a little less reliance on a strict adherence to the lecture outlines might allow more interaction from the students.
What would you change about the course?
I would add more information on Crowley’s upbringing, especially his religious and philosophical education before the reception of Liber AL.
Did the course fulfill your expectations as per the course description on the DeCal website?
Yes.
Would you recommend this course to a friend? To any friend in particular?
Yes, as an academic discussion of a magico-mystical system.
Any other general comments/criticisms/suggestions?
My only complaint was that Wednesday evenings are a bad choice for me. Of course that is irrelevant to anyone else.
93/93
Ben
"...if you were left scratching your head and wondering about whether Travis and I would ever get around to sending out a study question, wonder no longer! Rather than doing a traditional reading-response question, we've decided to have you all fill out something akin to a course evaluation form. Please answer the following questions as thoroughly and honestly as possible, keeping in mind that your constructive criticism will help make the class better if (or more optimistically, when) the Thelema DeCal is taught in the future. The questions are as follows:
What were your favorite and least favorite lecture topics?
Were there any topics (either from the reading, Thelema/Crowleyanity, or simply occultism in general) you wish would have been treated more in-depth?
What were your favorite and least favorite readings in the reader?
Was the lecture and small group discussions format conducive to learning?
What would you change about the course?
Did the course fulfill your expectations as per the course description on the DeCal website?
Would you recommend this course to a friend? To any friend in particular?
Any other general comments/criticisms/suggestions?" (Karras, class email, 17 Nov. '09 e.v.)
What were your favorite and least favorite lecture topics?
I have enjoyed the classes that I’ve attended so far.
Were there any topics (either from the reading, Thelema/Crowleyanity, or simply occultism in general) you wish would have been treated more in-depth?
I would suggest more practical work, meaning something that was more than one weeks worth.
What were your favorite and least favorite readings in the reader?
Like Espinoza, I think it is more valuable to read source material rather than another’s interpretation of a writer.
Was the lecture and small group discussions format conducive to learning?
I thought the classes themselves seemed to progress well, but maybe a little less reliance on a strict adherence to the lecture outlines might allow more interaction from the students.
What would you change about the course?
I would add more information on Crowley’s upbringing, especially his religious and philosophical education before the reception of Liber AL.
Did the course fulfill your expectations as per the course description on the DeCal website?
Yes.
Would you recommend this course to a friend? To any friend in particular?
Yes, as an academic discussion of a magico-mystical system.
Any other general comments/criticisms/suggestions?
My only complaint was that Wednesday evenings are a bad choice for me. Of course that is irrelevant to anyone else.
93/93
Ben

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
Were there any topics (either from the reading, Thelema/Crowleyanity, or simply occultism in general) you wish would have been treated more in-depth?
I would suggest more practical work, meaning something that was more than one weeks worth.
Any suggestions? How could such "practical work" be assessed? (::in full disclosure, I'm a "professional" educator::)
What were your favorite and least favorite readings in the reader?
Like Espinoza, I think it is more valuable to read source material rather than another’s interpretation of a writer.
I agree, but do you think it's a matter of sequence rather than relevance? Once the primary source material has been explored, interpretations have more meaning, right?
Was the lecture and small group discussions format conducive to learning?
I thought the classes themselves seemed to progress well, but maybe a little less reliance on a strict adherence to the lecture outlines might allow more interaction from the students.
OUCH! Lectures?!?
What would you change about the course?
I would add more information on Crowley’s upbringing, especially his religious and philosophical education before the reception of Liber AL.
From the syllabus, this doesn't look under-represented, it seems outright excluded... Maybe that was covered in lecture?
Thank you, again, Ben, for sharing this wonderful experience with us!
_________________
"Sacred Activism is the fusion of the mystic's passion for God with the activist's passion for justice, creating a third fire, which is the burning sacred heart that longs to help, preserve, and nurture every living thing." - Andrew Harvey

Khephra- Number of posts: 700
Age: 44
Registration date: 2008-08-11
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
Khephra,
93
When I wrote "practical work" I wasn't entirely pleased with it. Specifically what I had in mind was to present some practices or exercises that would begin on the second week and end with the eighth week ("Week 8: Practices of Thelema, Magick"). Maybe even assign a specific practice; and then discuss any individual changes or progress over a greater time period than the one week that was the actual assignment. I don't think this is something that could actually be "assessed" in any sense, nor do I think that it would need to be, but merely experienced to provide a practical point of reference to Crowley's perspective and the potential manipulation of an individual's point of view either towards or away from the same by Crowley's methods.
As far as source versus interpretational writings I must concur with you, though I didn't when I answered the question. That is because the two types of material were not presented together in the Course Reader. I'm glad you pointed that out before I went to class tonight.
As far as the structure of the syllabus and readings assigned, I know the class facilitators are working from a curricula that was established by another person. All in all I have enjoyed the class. It almost seems as though the lectures and, especially, the Reader as they stand seem somewhat confining. I would think there are more interpretations than the three, at the most, presented on any single topic (and those largely being in agreement). I'll be interested to hear the other student's views, and will post an overview here.
93/93
Ben
93
When I wrote "practical work" I wasn't entirely pleased with it. Specifically what I had in mind was to present some practices or exercises that would begin on the second week and end with the eighth week ("Week 8: Practices of Thelema, Magick"). Maybe even assign a specific practice; and then discuss any individual changes or progress over a greater time period than the one week that was the actual assignment. I don't think this is something that could actually be "assessed" in any sense, nor do I think that it would need to be, but merely experienced to provide a practical point of reference to Crowley's perspective and the potential manipulation of an individual's point of view either towards or away from the same by Crowley's methods.
As far as source versus interpretational writings I must concur with you, though I didn't when I answered the question. That is because the two types of material were not presented together in the Course Reader. I'm glad you pointed that out before I went to class tonight.
As far as the structure of the syllabus and readings assigned, I know the class facilitators are working from a curricula that was established by another person. All in all I have enjoyed the class. It almost seems as though the lectures and, especially, the Reader as they stand seem somewhat confining. I would think there are more interpretations than the three, at the most, presented on any single topic (and those largely being in agreement). I'll be interested to hear the other student's views, and will post an overview here.
93/93
Ben

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
Benjamin Stein wrote:Specifically what I had in mind was to present some practices or exercises that would begin on the second week and end with the eighth week ("Week 8: Practices of Thelema, Magick"). Maybe even assign a specific practice; and then discuss any individual changes or progress over a greater time period than the one week that was the actual assignment.
Hrm... Was keeping a journal part of the course? How about solar adorations a la Liber Resh vel Helios? ... maybe a little too basic?

ankh_f_n_khonsu- Number of posts: 395
Registration date: 2008-09-16
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
ankh_f_n_khonsu,
93
You know, I like the idea of students keeping a journal throughout the course; if I read you correctly. What I was referring to above was the assignment for Week 8 (briefly, any practice from Crowley's curriculum, performed daily for five minutes, and a diary entry recording the practice). My thought was that one week may not be enough time to really accurately judge the value, if any, of most of the exercises. It might be useful to give the assignment a longer duration to duplicate for the individual student a more accurate sense of what Crowley himself went through and what was expected of his students.
Tonight Dr. David Shoemaker (Chancellor, College of Thelema NorCal; Prolocutor, Temple of the Silver Star; Master, 418 Lodge, O.T.O.) presented a powerpoint lecture on the process of initiation within living Thelemic orders today and a brief history of those orders. I found him to be informed and personable.
No assignment has been given yet. Nor was any discussion given to the class "evaluation."
93/93
Ben
93
You know, I like the idea of students keeping a journal throughout the course; if I read you correctly. What I was referring to above was the assignment for Week 8 (briefly, any practice from Crowley's curriculum, performed daily for five minutes, and a diary entry recording the practice). My thought was that one week may not be enough time to really accurately judge the value, if any, of most of the exercises. It might be useful to give the assignment a longer duration to duplicate for the individual student a more accurate sense of what Crowley himself went through and what was expected of his students.
Tonight Dr. David Shoemaker (Chancellor, College of Thelema NorCal; Prolocutor, Temple of the Silver Star; Master, 418 Lodge, O.T.O.) presented a powerpoint lecture on the process of initiation within living Thelemic orders today and a brief history of those orders. I found him to be informed and personable.
No assignment has been given yet. Nor was any discussion given to the class "evaluation."
93/93
Ben

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
Benjamin Stein wrote:My thought was that one week may not be enough time to really accurately judge the value, if any, of most of the exercises. It might be useful to give the assignment a longer duration to duplicate for the individual student a more accurate sense of what Crowley himself went through and what was expected of his students.
Yeah, from the sound of it, I'd agree - there should've been more practical application.

ankh_f_n_khonsu- Number of posts: 395
Registration date: 2008-09-16
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
Benjamin Stein wrote:You know, I like the idea of students keeping a journal throughout the course; if I read you correctly.
Yes, I also think a journal would've been an effective addition to the course.
Assessment is crucial. If work is assigned but there's no rubric by which it can be assessed, little refinement is likely to occur. For example, I might assign the journal along with a ritual (or two). I might expect daily execution and reflections recorded in the journal, so by the end of the class asking for a synthesis of reflections would be a reliable way to assess growth.
I'm still surprised to hear that the course was so lecture-heavy. IMO, that's a rather ineffective way to teach - and learn.
_________________
"Sacred Activism is the fusion of the mystic's passion for God with the activist's passion for justice, creating a third fire, which is the burning sacred heart that longs to help, preserve, and nurture every living thing." - Andrew Harvey

Khephra- Number of posts: 700
Age: 44
Registration date: 2008-08-11
Re: Thelema: A.C.'s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy for a New Aeon @ UCB
Ankh_f_n_khonsu wrote:
“How about solar adorations a la Liber Resh vel Helios? ... maybe a little too basic?”
I just realized that I completely ignored this part of your post. I guess I was lost in my own ivory tower that evening. The particular exercise was left up to the student to choose. The following quote from Crowley to C. S. Jones (a Magister Templi in Crowley’s A.’.A.’.) indicates that he thought the Solar Adorations to be of importance even to those that are referred to as “ascended” or, in Crowley’s parlance, “above the Abyss.”
“ο
”DE CULTU.
“Now, o my Son, that thou mayst be well guarded against thy ghostly Enemies, do thou work constantly by the Means prescribed in our Holy Books.
“Neglect never the fourfold Adorations of the Sun in his four Stations, for thereby thou dost affirm thy Place in Nature and her Harmonies.
“Neglect not the Performance of the Ritual of the Pentagram, and of the Assumption of the Form of Hoor-pa-Kraat.
“Neglect not the daily Miracle of the Mass, either by the Rite of the Gnostic Catholic Church, or that of the Phoenix.
"Neglect not the Performance of the Mass of the Holy Ghost, as Nature herself prompteth thee.
“Travel also much in the Empyrean in the Body of Light, seeking ever Abodes more fiery and lucid.
“Finally, exercise constantly the Eight Limbs of Yoga. And so shalt thou come to the End.”
(Crowley, Liber Aleph, Cap. 16, emphasis added ).
Khephra wrote:
“Assessment is crucial. If work is assigned but there's no rubric by which it can be assessed, little refinement is likely to occur. For example, I might assign the journal along with a ritual (or two). I might expect daily execution and reflections recorded in the journal, so by the end of the class asking for a synthesis of reflections would be a reliable way to assess growth.
”I'm still surprised to hear that the course was so lecture-heavy. IMO, that's a rather ineffective way to teach - and learn.”
While I agree with the above, and think the students would benefit from a more syncretic blend of academic and magickal views, the course describes itself as an investigation into “…Crowley’s Psycho-Spiritual Philosophy...” In defense of the class it is designed as a traditional philosophy course (while under the aegis of the German Department [?]) and offers itself as such. I believe that the instructors would have enjoyed more class participation, which most students did not give, leaving them only with another’s approved lectures.
A decade ago Dr. Ralph Abraham conducted a course at U.C. Santa Cruz on John Dee that, while it incorporated actual ritual work, was still largely academic in nature. Although; Abraham’s course included more students and speakers approaching Dee from a larger variety of perspectives than I observed in this class.
Perhaps there is a systemic bias built into the modern university conception that discourages this sort of interaction, both between teachers and students, and intellectual and intuitive/traditional/ esoteric thought. This dichotomy does not appear to have existed in the Pythagorean schools, the Platonic gardens, or the Islamic Madrasah Jami'ah. But this is why I started this thread, to provide a forum for feedback from a larger community than just the University of California at Berkeley and Thelemites. Something like what we have been discussing has not been a real part of the university system since the Renaissance.

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
Oops
93
I guess time really does fly when you're having fun.
My "History of Math: John Dee" course I mentioned above was two decades ago. (It doesn't feel like it has been that long.)
93/93
Ben
I guess time really does fly when you're having fun.
My "History of Math: John Dee" course I mentioned above was two decades ago. (It doesn't feel like it has been that long.)
93/93
Ben

Benjamin Stein- Number of posts: 24
Age: 45
Location: Berkeley
Registration date: 2009-09-10
Page 3 of 3 •
1, 2, 3
Permissions of this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum




