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Post  ankh_f_n_khonsu on Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:03 pm

What do you think? Is this kid onto something or smoking crack?
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Post  sendoshin on Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:27 pm

Yes.

Which is to say, a little of both. I suppose he didn't have much time in a single YouTube video to present most of the information he used to come to these conclusions, and I won't say that public schooling is perfect, but I also won't say that the majority of schools are part of a brainwashing network, any more than I'd say the US legal system is a brainwashing network. There are members of both that would love nothing better than to do just that, and there are certainly many examples of people in positions of power that shouldn't be anywhere near them, but that doesn't mean the entire system is compromised. The "teaching them things they'll never use in their day-to-day lives" thing is more a student who didn't like trying to learn things he didn't see an immediate use for than an actual piece of evidence. Very few things learned in life seem important at the time we learn them, until they make our lives easier later on.

Meh, I'm a bit fervent in my beliefs on public schooling. I think many of the recent legal decisions have done worse for our schools than they have better - No Child Left Behind, for example, is a great way to give the schools with the smartest students more money to make them even smarter, while the schools with fewer intelligent students can't afford the tools they would need to help the struggling ones keep up. And people complain about the deficit while simultaneously demanding more money from the government - why should we pay taxes? is a common one - and ignoring the programs where money could be most useful, such as education. The biggest issue is that people who complain about their lot in life do little to change it. They complain about the government being full of corrupt individuals, and then either vote the same corrupt individuals back into office, or worse, don't vote at all, thereby giving the corrupt individuals even more power to do whatever they want. It's a very sad state of affairs.

Anyhow, I'm going to rant for hours if I keep going on this, so I'll leave off here. I can write a book on the subject if anyone is interested in reading more of what I think. Very Happy

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Post  neutralrobotboy on Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:36 am

I agree with the kid in spirit, at least. I think probably the most "important" thing one learns in most schools is deference to authority. Those who fail to learn that lesson tend to have a rough time both in school and afterward. Sticking an 5-year-old kid indoors, having her/him sit in a chair for the better part of 8 hours a day 5 days a week for 13 years while under fairly strict authoritarian rule... Well, it's hard for me to imagine how any halfway sane person could consider that the best way to develop a human being. And that's before accounting for the further monopolization of brain-cycles with repetitive homework assignments.

I might not fully agree with this guy's emphasis on "the elites", but it seems pretty evident to me that schools are intended to condition and educate the populace in preparation for entering the workforce, and most who enter the workforce will be doing so in extremely disempowering and repetitive jobs. By that time, if you don't have it pretty well drilled into your head that it's OK for one reason or another to spend most of your waking life being told by other people what to do, you will probably have a freak-out. The socially acceptable way to correct this situation is to become one of the people with a greater degree of authority and personal empowerment.

I also think that the education system is essentially geared toward furthering certain mythologies. In the USA, these relate to how free and democratic the country is; also it's at least heavily implied that modern capitalism is the economic system which provides the greatest degree of freedom; oh and incidentally we don't want to hurt anyone, but sometimes we have to because they're bad and we're good.

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Post  amandachen on Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:25 am

A 'public school' is what we call a private school in England.

EDIT: I mean private schools are called 'public schools' here.


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Post  digicamghosts on Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:54 am

I am not a great admirer of schools; but I went to one (don't think I learned much) Again, if I hadn't been to one, I wouldn't have been able to realize that there isn't much to learn in schools and that I believe is the only education that schools give us.

School, unsavory though it is, teaches us certain truths about society that we ought to know in order to survive.

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Post  sendoshin on Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:40 pm

amandachen wrote:A 'public school' is what we call a private school in England.

"Public" may not be the best word for state-run, but it's better than "private", IMO. Then again, I've got the USian view on what "private" means.

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Post  emperorzombie on Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:49 am

most schools involve a form of indoctrination. its human nature to let authority go unquestioned.
i think kids need to learn math and some other 'useless' things. i think the major fault is in HOW they are taught. rote memorization is one of the weaker forms of learning. sitting in a chair for eight hours a day leads to physical problems that will occur later in life. Physical education? where? badminton is not physical education. chin-ups is physical education.

me personally, ive attended public schools and slept through high school with a 3.0 average and was bored to tears. my brother went to a private school, similar outcome.

Its no question the elite dont mind the public being uneducated, look how much the american public loves formal debate and oratory as an art form. watch at our officials speak and you will have some answers right there.
I dont think they had to subvert the education system, they just let id run its course.
america is free enough that if one really wanted to, they could educate themselves, its is just that the average person would have to forgo the superbowl for quadratic equations...
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Post  Frater_NS on Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:50 pm

I see a future conspiracy nut in the making.
Such a USA centric world view. I was taught how to think in Primary School, High School and University (in the UK) - not blindly learning facts.
Maybe this doesn't happen across the world, sad.

And for the record I use quadratic equation in my job and even more esoteric forms of mathematics like eigenvalues - maybe I'm the weirdo.

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Post  sendoshin on Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:56 pm

Frater_NS wrote:And for the record I use quadratic equation in my job and even more esoteric forms of mathematics like eigenvalues - maybe I'm the weirdo.
Hey, why don't we have occult mathematics works in the Releases? lol! drunken

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Post  Frater_NS on Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:57 pm

There are plenty works on gematria and geometry in our releases study

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Post  sendoshin on Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:45 pm

That's not QUITE what I meant, but then I was joking anyway. Good point, though. Very Happy I stand rephrased!

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Post  amandachen on Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:44 pm

Often, not even you seem to know what you are talking about.
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Post  sendoshin on Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:21 pm

I have decent grammar and a vocabulary that often gets away from me.

I do not have the ability to make sense most of the time.

This is an ongoing problem, for which there is no known cure.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact I have far more experience with computers than I do the occult. Sad

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Post  Frater_NS on Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:03 am

Amanda is joking Question

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Post  Khephra on Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:42 pm

Frater_NS wrote:Amanda is joking Question

Perhaps. Question

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Post  geilt on Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:04 pm

This kid has difficulty in bringing his points together. They also seem tied to his experience and pick apart concepts piecemeal from different communities. I was a student in public schools and eventually a substitute teacher for a while, there is just as much abuse on the student end as there is the teacher end. There is also a large gap in responsibility, in terms of who is to blame for vandalism, etc. The student often gets to do what they want without a penalty. Stress levels are high among faculty and staff due to the limitations imposed on them to properly discipline children into not destroying everything around them

In my opinion, One of the largest problem for Public schools is just that, destruction of school property and even personal property. This leads to a very high tension environment where at the slightest whim, something terrible can happen.

Hi everyone this is my first post. =) Been following this for a while though.

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Post  neutralrobotboy on Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:06 pm

geilt: Yeah, I agree that he does a bad job of bringing things together, and some of his arguments are pretty weak. Also, I've known a number of highschool teachers, and the job seems like one of the least rewarding and most frustrating things I can think of. I certainly wouldn't stick with it...

Also, if you feel like introducing yourself over in the Introductions section, I'm sure everyone would be interested and send you a warm welcome.
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Chronological book on america's education

Post  Vagabond Soul on Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:18 am

A bit of a broader left wing look at the topic, but I came across a fasinating very well researched book on education in America (relevant to the world though) some months ago.

The book is from 1999 by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt - Deliberate Dumbing Down of America


The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.
—Thomas A. Kelly, Ph.D.
The Effective School Report


THE SOWING OF THE SEEDS:
late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries

“The Sowing of the Seeds: late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries” is the shortest chapter of the deliberate dumbing down of america. Undoubtedly, this chapter may be one of the most important since the philosophies of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Wilhelm Wundt, and John Dewey, refect a total departure from the traditional defnition of education like the one given in The New Century Dictionary of the English Language (Appleton, Century, Crofts: New York, 1927):

The drawing out of a person’s innate talents and abilities by imparting the knowledge of languages, scientifc reasoning, history, literature, rhetoric, etc.—the channels through which those abilities would fourish and serve.

A quantum leap was taken from the above defnition to the new, dehumanizing defnition used by the experimental psychologists found in An Outline of Educational Psychology (Barnes & Noble: New York, 1934, rev. ed.) by Rudolph Pintner et al. That truly revolutionary defnition claims that

'learning is the result of modifability in the paths of neural conduction. Explanations of even such forms of learning as abstraction and generalization demand of the neurones only growth, excitability, conductivity, and modifability. The mind is the connection-system of man; and learning is the process of connecting. The situation-response formula is adequate
to cover learning of any sort, and the really infuential factors in learning are readiness of the neurones, sequence in time, belongingness, and satisfying consequences.'



This is only begin of chapter one, I highly recommend the read. I can quote more or pass it on if it anyone would like.
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topic irrelevant

Post  Enigma on Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:32 pm

since when do the problems of the public school systems have anything to do with the occult or digimob? there is a time and a place to discuss everything, and it seems to me that digimob is a forum of communication focused specifically on the occult, rather than on general education and other social issues. lets try to stay on topic.
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Post  sendoshin on Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:19 am

Topics generally classified as "Humanities" are not directly esoteric in nature, or even necessarily occult - which, of course, just means "hidden" - but are still essential tools in understanding more of how the esoteric and occult came to exist, and how they interact with the world we live in today. This understanding isn't essential in the daily practice of esoterica, but is an important component of serious study of the occult, and thus fits very well within our mien. This topic is, therefore, very relevant.

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This topic very relevant

Post  Whitewolf on Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:11 am

You're right, this topic is very relevant.

The original idea of "university" or education for the ancient Greeks was to teach people to learn...how to learn: a life-long adventure and pursuit. This type of education was meant to teach people how to use their whole brain structure - the left in sync with the right (the most powerful part of the brain - the soul if you will).
The book that vagabond Soul mentions is very important. In fact our school systems have slowly been narrowing, eroding our children's scope of education. Rather than creating educationally well-rounded individuals we have slowly been forcing people into ever increasing areas of specialization.
The symptoms described in various books about the dumbing down of America in fact are referring to a tendency (perhaps even conspiracy) to force people into disempowered ways of existing, primarily operating from areas almost exclusively utilizing the ego. In talking about 'the dumbing down of America', about specialization versus holistic education I would like to quote from a book I wrote entitled "Children of The Stars: An Uncommon Wisdom, An Uncommmon Sense, Healing..."
" Although not obvious at first glance, the prevalence of this practice is a symptom of psychological and thus physical – individual and collective – alienation. It expresses a lack of integration and tolerance within individuals, between people and in extension the larger environment. It has more of an impact throughout society and the world than most would imagine. What this fragmentation, this intolerance causes is a type of self-hate. It perpetuates the machine-like cycle within a prescriptive world cult-ture. This will be explained.
In the way I use the word prescriptive it denotes a mindset that categorizes and divides everything into parts, assigning people to machine-like roles within society. This is mirrored in psychic development, or lack thereof, within individuals and the human collective. This is the opposite of a proscriptive mindset where people maintain as much of a whole and reciprocal interaction with their environment as possible, in whatever they do, especially work. It is integrative and holistic. These dynamics, both prescriptive and proscriptive, will be explored in depth and within many apparently separate and diverse areas; in the apparently different ways in which they are expressed. What I have been describing is very political and it is an understatement to say that in the context that I am saying it, the personal is political."

So yes, the education system in today's world is very important, especially for those who wish to de-occult the occult. Becoming awake requires the whole psyche....not a predominance of the left-brained, ego-driven activity our present school system is indoctrinating us with.

Cheers, Whitewolf (Paul F.M.)


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Post  Vagabond Soul on Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:53 am

I agree WhiteWolf, our education is of the upmost importance, hence very relavant. Your book sounds very intresting, I am glad to find someone with such strikingly similar views.

The world of the individual has petrified, consequely the collective evolution is like wise turning to stone.

What are your views of moving past plotics, banking, power games and dualism (the cycles of hot and cold)?

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Post  Whitewolf on Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:29 pm

Hi, Vagabond Soul

Ha, ha, I am only beginning to understand many of these things. I will say this: in order to move beyond any of the problems in our Earth's society’s and the present world paradigm we must begin with individuals, namely ourselves. From here (and there) it grows outward and all around.
I don't believe the world's population, as a whole can move beyond the items (and associated attitudes) you mention. Most people of the world live on a level of survival: hardly conducive to teaching people – or giving them the time/environment - how to be in the world but not of it. In other words, how to become everything human beings are meant to be.
However, as awareness grows - for example the awareness born of forums such as this one - I truly believe a critical level of awareness can be reached with the result that awareness will bloom and spread on the collective level of human consciousness (critical awareness; the "Hundred monkey syndrome) which will result in this awareness emerging to the conscious level of collective society.
Having said this, I believe this evolution with practical results will only happen in (super) natural ways. I believe history has shown that political, economic and other such types of revolution can have no lasting, evolutionary beneficial effects because they operate from within the very same paradigm that produced these things in the first place. Nor do I believe these problems are accidental. I truly believe everything is part of the evolutionary cycle.

Cheers, Whitewolf
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All souls are indestructible.

Post  Vagabond Soul on Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:57 pm

Whitewolf wrote:Hi, Vagabond Soul

Ha, ha, I am only beginning to understand many of these things.


Hi! Very Happy - I know what you mean some what. Yes, long time researching reading and asking questions and often still the intuition sees further and its mind boggling. Feels like ive picked up the first shell on a beach across all the horizontal!



Whitewolf wrote:

I don't believe the world's population, as a whole can move beyond the items (and associated attitudes) you mention. Most people of the world live on a level of survival: hardly conducive to teaching people – or giving them the time/environment - how to be in the world but not of it. In other words, how to become everything human beings are meant to be.


I agree most the world is on the survival circuit, the very base of our energy and intelligence (though quite often happier [spiritually] then those in the upper echelons of life).

The basics of home (food, shelter, brother/sister hood)/ individualism and unity, brought into consistent relationship, would give rise to the inward and outward paradigm shift. I agree that this has been all apart of our evolution. But I am not sure if I that if we sit back and wait for every thing to come together, it will (speaking in relative terms). I think your point of self development, leading to collective evolution is solid though.

It reminds me closely of the 'Way of the Tao' approach. That we can't force it, and even the stars and the all can never hold it. We can only nurture and be conductive elements of 'The Ways' fruition. (so really this would be the moving away from the hot and cold cycles by breaking our dependence on there existence?.)

Whitewolf wrote:
I will say this: in order to move beyond any of the problems in our Earth's society’s and the present world paradigm we must begin with individuals, namely ourselves. From here (and there) it grows outward and all around.

Well said Smile

Also I love the 'Hundred monkey syndrome', as I have always pictured monkeys as our evolutionary meta-programmers (just a querky imagination), secondly its synonymous with an idea that struck me a few years ago.

If we on have 10 conscious mind, and the rest sub/unconscious. And many people of that only 0.2 actually mapped neuron pathways through discipline and personal development, then that seems to be a picture also of our world as a greater whole.

So the thought struck me that if only we could raise one percent of the world to true inward outward self awareness, that would tip the balance and effectively awaken the sleeper 8% - 14% that are almost there just a bit chaotic and ungrounded. And once that occurs, so would the collective body of man kind awaken.

Whitewolf wrote:

Having said this, I believe this evolution with practical results will only happen in (super) natural ways. I believe history has shown that political, economic and other such types of revolution can have no lasting, evolutionary beneficial effects because they operate from within the very same paradigm that produced these things in the first place. Nor do I believe these problems are accidental. I truly believe everything is part of the evolutionary cycle.

Cheers, Whitewolf

Please do tell more, I like what is being said. I've tracked down a copy of your book, will have a read over the coming days.

Cheers,
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Post  Whitewolf on Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:19 am

December 17, 2010

Well, it'll be interesting to see if you feel like talking after you've looked at my book. Mmmmm, I sent out many copies of that book. Ha, ha, I hope you have a more recent version - it might be easier to understand the emotional and psychologically chaotoic soup I was immerging from when I wrote those words.

Blessed be, Paul
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