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Post  kazdax on Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:10 pm



It seems like one of the Egyptian Gods ..the hawk headed Gods ..this one seems exactly the same ..and the metal seems like some old Greek Coin perhaps ..

What would this diety be .. ?? in the Acient Greek world ..

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Post  plutopsyche on Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:37 am

Thoth had an ibis head, which has a far more elongated beak (see example here).

This looks more like a vulture to me, but obviously male, so not Mut, or the vulture-crowned Nekhbet.

In short, I have no idea, sorry.

Have you tried checking whatever the museum is where you found the image? The number in the top lefthand corner should help lead you to more info on the coin.
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Post  plutopsyche on Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:51 am

Or, of course, that could be a weird styalization of a hawk, which could represent either Ra (Helios to the ancient Greeks) or Horus (Apollo). I can't tell what kind of leaves those are supposed to be. Laurel would suggest Apollo/Horus.

I'm afraid I can't read Greek, so I have no idea what the coin actually says.
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Post  pullybone on Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:39 pm

Well, after about twenty minutes of looking around, I still don't know. Shocked

But maybe this will help. It relates to Kelsey Museum 26054.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/traditions-magic-late-antiquity/def1.display.html

Scroll down to item number thirteen. It's the reverse side of a coin or gem with what seems to be Abraxas on the obverse side.

Also, "The Assyrian god Nisroch was depicted as an eagle-headed diety with wings." Maybe that's your guy, maybe not. It's one of the exceedingly few gods I find listed with an eagle's head.

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Post  ankh_f_n_khonsu on Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:52 pm

I'm not certain it's an eagle.

Unless I'm misreading, it's inscription is written in Euboean Greek and reads:

alpha - gamma - alpha - gamma - alpha - mu
alpha - delta - omicron - upsilon - rho - alpha - mu
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Post  kazdax on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:13 pm

thats quite right ..its might be Heru ..since the gems are greek and egyptian mixed .this was nice to know ..

also i am big fan of the kabbalah and yet have to study it with a clean mind and body and with a steady will ..

i notice that the greek letters are also numbers .. and as i found the meaning of the ones on the side ..

the ones ankh provided .. it turns out to mean in gemtria ..one of the translations ..

Great The Breath
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Great the Assembly of God

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Post  kazdax on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:22 pm

also as i mentioned kabbalah .. the front pieace of that Gem ..Has the 4 names of ther kabbalistic Angels .
just the way its used in all the LBRP ..even from Golden dawn .. ?? funyy eh ?

wonder how that could be .. and if this was older than the kabbalah etc etc .. The proof that kabbalh existed much before the Jewish Orthodox seem to provide ..

I think the Orthodox jews just want to have the whole kabbalah thing to there own self .. ;. Like the Christain Cross to the Ankh .. The Dead Christ and the Tomp of Osiris with the Hands Crossed etc etc

Virgin marry to Aset .. anyways . . my point being that .. this Gem is basiclly the explanation of the LBRP and what the newer traidtions seek to get ..

So we have the circle .the serpent that eats its own tale .. Call it self sacrifice Smile ..anyways .. then i belive the names of the angels .. 4 .. there is a circle within a circle .. the symbol of Ra and therefore ofthe Sun..

I think its good to know ..that these LBRP rituals arnt something conjured up by good Old uncle AL .. I think if we look futher ahead ..we might notice alot of intellegent people who understood all of this and made sense of it and enjoyed true feelings concerning such subjects ...

I am also looking for people into Kabbalah and the Egyptian and Greek Mythology ..

ofcourse anyone who belives the kabbalah is the key to all religions ..that sort of people i am looking for .. we could open up an IRC channel and i think Digimob would do well ..if they hosted an IRC channel .. i think they are cheap ..let me know and i could look it up and create one .. interactive chat would be interesting ..

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Post  kazdax on Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:26 pm

I am taking interest in that Gem ..because as my Fav number is 8 and the catalog number adds up to 8 and its quite facinating .. i will be studying these gems and getting the gematria from it ..and understanding the meaning on it .. I think i have reached the point where i can create such gems on my own and understand its sigificance ..this is true magic ..

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Post  sendoshin on Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:09 pm

IRC itself is free - the software is almost always open source. The trick is finding someplace to host it. It's not my call to make, but given the low amount of participation in the forums, I'd almost be willing to bet that IRC wouldn't be justifiable. Maybe if participation in the forums grows, IRC will be considered. In the meantime, you're welcome and encouraged to strike up some appropriate conversations here, as is everyone else.

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Post  Khephra on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:11 pm

sendoshin wrote:Maybe if participation in the forums grows, IRC will be considered. In the meantime, you're welcome and encouraged to strike up some appropriate conversations here, as is everyone else.

Agreed. Smile

You stirred up some dialogue here, Kazdax. Hopefully any future questions will be met with similar enthusiasm. Wink

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Post  baruck on Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:01 pm

I think this is not Greek, is a type of Coptic.
I transliterate to Coptic and getting ASASAM ADOURAM.
I did a search and found this:
http://www.coinsofromanegypt.org/html/library/gems/gem_god.html

see if it is not your currency?

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Post  pullybone on Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:03 pm

asasam adouram is what they have on the umich page I linked to earlier -
http://www.lib.umich.edu/traditions-magic-late-antiquity/def1.display.html

Rev.: Eagle-headed god wearing only an apron, calathus on head, six wings, bird tail. In its hands, Egyptian sa amulets.

Inscrip.: asasam adouram.

Bevel: Seven scarab beetles, a star, a cynocephalus, a crocodile, and several obscure figures.

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Post  baruck on Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:15 pm

In Latin ASA is:
asa, asae N (1st) F [XXXEO] uncommon
altar, structure for sacrifice, pyre; sanctuary; home; refuge, shelter;

And Adouram can be Adora:
ador.a V 1 1 PRES ACTIVE IMP 2 S
adoro, adorare, adoravi, adoratus V (1st) TRANS [XXXBO]
honor, adore, worship, pay homage, reverence; beg, plead with, appeal to;

or

adur.am V 3 1 FUT ACTIVE IND 1 S
aduro, adurere, adussi, adustus V (3rd) TRANS [XXXBO]
scorch, singe; burn; consume in fire;

Asasa is a town in southeastern Ethiopia.
Zagwe dynasty ruled many parts of modern Ethiopia and Eritrea from approximately 1137 to 1270. The name of the dynasty comes from the Cushitic speaking Agaw people of northern Ethiopia. From 1270 AD on for many centuries, the Solomonic dynasty followed.

If there is a Jewish influence in this coin,
The image can be a kind of angel.

Just speculation......

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Post  Khephra on Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:37 am

Yes, definitely looks like it might be Coptic... the mystery deepens! Wink

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Post  kazdax on Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:15 am

Yes it certain has some jewish /roots ..since the mentionn of the 4 angels and also the Diety with Six Wings ..which i belive is one of the Ranks of the Angels in the judaism religion.. "... I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and His train filled the Hekhal (sanctuary). Above Him stood the Seraphim; each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew."

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Post  baruck on Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:59 pm

Just curious. You do not have that coin? or has?

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