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Post  baruck on Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:47 pm

Dear Friends,

I have downloaded torrents (40GB so far) of Digimob and come across a vast literature and not knowing exactly where to start, after several months researching does not define which line should I follow.
I know I would not want a Thelemite school. (no offences, I respect all)
I know also that I do not want a school based in Sex Magic. (no offences, I respect all)
I do not want a Christian school, or with Christian symbolism. (no offences, I respect all)
I would like something more practical, my head is already too full of philosophy and blah, blah, blah.
I read the book "Concentration - Mouni Sadhu" and I liked it although I believe the exercises are very difficult, I don't know if someone pass through all exercises, in fact if anyone has any information on this author I apreciate so much, it seems to be a mystery, I searched but found nothing conclusive!
I'm reading the book Modern Magick of Donalg M. Kraig and I am enjoying it because the Hebrew terms are familiar to me, although I still do not know where all this can take me. And also I'm reading the book by Buckland, Raymond - Complete Book of Witchcraft.
Anybody can help this neophyte? Indicate to me a good bibliography of good and honest books about magic?
I am a sincere seeker.
Sorry for the mistakes in the English language!
I thank all who shared the torrents!

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  neutralrobotboy on Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:16 pm

Hi and welcome!

It seems to me that there are plenty of good and honest books about magic, but that's no guarantee that they'll be any good for you. What was it that appealed to you about "Concentration - Mount Sadhu"? In your other readings, do you find yourself drawn to specific practices or ideas?

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Post  ankh_f_n_khonsu on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:28 am

Hi Baruck, IMO your English is sufficient to the task! Very Happy

Are you leaning more towards an Eastern system?
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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  baruck on Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:19 pm

Hi Friends!

Fist, many thanks to you neutralrobotboy and ankh_f_n_khonsu for the interest in help me! As I said, I'm a beginer in this subject, magick, in the past I never consider to read a book in this subject. But I'm here ready to learn! I will try in other post to tell my story to perhaps someone could help me better.
But I feel that I have facility and feel atracted for healing techniques, clairaudience, visions, tarot, meditation. In fact when I improved my concentration and started doing small meditations, sometimes I have small visions when I meditate, as photographs that appear usually very fast, are people smiling to me. And also I began to hear things from a distance, out of hearing range. And I see figures often sometimes light, sometimes dark, passing very fast. I need to understand these things, know the "spiritual" world.
Please suggest me good books, books that helped you in your journeys, which have opened your understanding of the magic worldview!

Thanks!

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  Khephra on Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:50 am

Hello Baruck!

The "spiritual journey" is unique for everyone, so you might not find similar value in items that were exceptionally formative for others. I might could name my favourite book for introducing the I Ching, but you might just as easily hate it as you might be bored to tears.

If you said something to the effect of, "I read Israel Regardie's The Tree of Life, but I found it a little dull and unpractical. I'd like something a little more energetic, maybe something a little more 'natural', and definitely something a little less bookish", I might be able to help out with more confidence. Otherwise, it's just taking a stab in the dark and hoping something sticks.

Since you mentioned an interest in meditation, that might be a great place to develop some foundation. Among my favourite introductory texts for meditation is Sharon Salzberg's Insight Meditation: A Step-By-Step Course on How to Meditate. It's explicit and thorough, and with diligent practice you will enjoy results.

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  baruck on Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:29 pm

Thanks Khephra,

I took note of your tip on reading about meditation, I will try to get a copy, I even got the audio files from the book that you indicated but I'd rather be with the book at hand before venturing!
In fact I have worked with binaural sounds and developed my own sounds for personal use, for example, to relieve pain in the eye by using the computer, headache and help me to dream (because I hardly dream, sometimes take months for me to have a dream ...) nothing too deep is just the beginning of my adventures in this area.

Well, about my request for help I will try to explain better. Was in the following sense, for example in the book Modern Magic by Donald M. Kraig we see a series of rituals and tools that we use to "do" magic, So I thought what works the magic are the objects and rituals or am I? If I am, then the objects and rituals are unnecessary!
So I did a practical test of my own head, was so ...

My wife had a severe back pain, not withstanding, she lay down and asked me to do a massage to try to relieve the pain (and I do not know how to do massage!) I think, I'll spend my energy to the site of pain and try to alleviate the pain (do not know how to do it!) and I just visualized my chakras, especially above the head like a bright light and imagined that light down my right hand and moving to the back of my wife and wishing that the pain ceased, done, in a few minutes (2 or 3 min) She no longer felt any pain. For me it was magical and I will forever keep this experience in my memory!

What I mean by this is that if there is a magic system that not needs special clothing, tools, altars, etc ... where with a clear statement of how things work, and I can understand and develop my abilities and discover new abilities that can improve my life would be fantastic! Without tools, no candles, no altars, no sacrifice of animals (which I think is of worst taste and in my country it is very common!), that was like karate martial art, karate=empty-handed. Very Happy
I live in a very small house and do not have much privacy, I cannot draw attention to my interest in magic which makes many practices impossible.
Will my altar cannot be my own body? My tools the hands, the feet?
I believe that everything happens within the mind and that's where I might get to work.
Or am I mistaken?

Ps. I have one tool: A tarot deck of the Golden Dawn! and I liked to study and do the first readings!

Thanks Again!

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Post  neutralrobotboy on Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:34 pm

I live in a very small house and do not have much privacy, I cannot draw attention to my interest in magic which makes many practices impossible.

Is there somewhere you can go to be totally undisturbed for some stretch of time? Say perhaps half an hour at a time? If so, there is much that can be done without the need for any magic implements. Yoga and meditation, for example, are then serious possibilities. If you want to keep from speaking aloud, you can also probably practice rituals astrally (first building up the so-called astral double... maybe someone has a recommendation for you if this is of interest). But I would tend to think that being able to sit or stand somewhere where you won't be disturbed is a minimal requirement. Perhaps you can work before you go to sleep or right when you wake up?

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  ankh_f_n_khonsu on Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:51 am

Hrm...

objects and rituals are unnecessary
a magic system that not needs special clothing, tools, altars, etc

Have you tried Chaos magick? Perhaps Peter Carroll or Phil Hine?
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Magick Without the Frills

Post  MelekM on Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:35 pm

Greetings Baruck -

As regards the suggestion of specific books that would be beneficial to you in your beginning stages, I will defer to the more well read and better versed brothers who've already responded. You'll find that here on DigiMob you can find sincerely caring seekers to help you in every step of the process.

The guidance that I am perhaps uniquely qualified to provide is with regard to your lack of Magickal Tools and need of discretion. For a few years I was extremely limited in what resources I had available to me. I was not able to use any sort of tools or magickal weapons, and was required to be very, very discreet, since if I were discovered it would have been a world of drama. I won't go too far into details since I've spoken on these circumstances in prior posts, I'll limit myself to saying that for those years my entire world was a small room, maybe 9x12, and inside this room I had only books, paper, pen, bed and toilet / sink combo. My point in explaining this is to assure you that if you are absolutely sincere and driven in your desire, if you study and practice devoutly, with or without tools or robes or any other "frill", you WILL get results. This I can tell you with absolute certainty because in that time I achieved my most memorable results.

Some will doubtless disagree with me, but my own personal feeling is that true Magick is more about the practitioner than the practices. I could go into a lengthy dissertation on the subject, expounding my own beliefs and using my own Work as evidence, but the bottom line is every aspiring Magus must find his own truth. For now, however, be assured that regardless if your Magick is Thelemic, Golden Dawn, LHP, with or without tools, if you give it your all, it most unequivocally IS possible for you to succeed, because I started with nothing more than copies of Modern Magick and a few others and I've achieved things I never thought possible.

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  baruck on Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:14 am

Friends,

I want thankful for everyone who tried to help me in this post, I really am very newbie and needed some direction to follow within my limitations, I do not belong to any group or organization or lodge or coven, I'm just a lonely seeker who has a long way to go and among so many books to read from the DigiMob torrents and difficulties in the English language, I just wanted go straight to the books more important, that someone more experienced could show me...

Thank you to everyone who posted information here, I believe I have a small list to start my path.

- Sharon Salzberg's Insight Meditation: A Step-By-Step Course on How to Meditate.
- Modern Magic by Donald M. Kraig
- A tarot deck of the Golden Dawn!
- Some of Peter Carroll
- Some of Phil Hine

In particular I thanked to you MelekM for the words of support and inspiration and for sharing a little of your experience, gave me strength to continue! I enjoyed your words including the title could well be the title of a book "Magick Without the Frills," if you write it some day let me know! - Ave Rex M!

One last question in this post. I found this book in Llewellyn: Portable Magic - Tarot Is the Only Tool You Need By: Donald Tyson
http://www.llewellyn.com/product_excerpt.php?ean=9780738709802&excerpt_id=2487

Does anyone know? read? can give me some information?
Assuming that the book is serious may be exactly what I need!

Peace!

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  MelekM on Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:46 pm

baruck wrote:Friends,


One last question in this post. I found this book in Llewellyn: Portable Magic - Tarot Is the Only Tool You Need By: Donald Tyson
http://www.llewellyn.com/product_excerpt.php?ean=9780738709802&excerpt_id=2487

Does anyone know? read? can give me some information?
Assuming that the book is serious may be exactly what I need!

Peace!

I do have this book in PDF if you'd like to check it out; Personally I'm not a huge fan of Tyson's books. (Well, except for his translation of Liber Lillith)... I didn't get much from Portable Magic. The problem you'll run into is that there is huge amount of material available online, and as with all things in life, 90% of it is crap. That's not to say this book won't be valuable to you, maybe it will. For ME, however, it fit in with the 90%

I just found something else for you; If you have decided to make use of Modern Magick, there are companion audio files by the author that accompany the book and help you in your studies thereof. If you've downloaded the Digests here you should have them, but if not let me know and I'll upload them to my storage so you can download.


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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  baruck on Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:42 pm

HI MelekM,

Thank you for your help!
I will continue with the Modern Magick, though some things I already know I will not could do exactly as it is there.
I do have the book and sound files that came along, thanks for offer!

Thank you very much!

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  Nikobal on Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:48 am

Hello!

Take a look at "Franz Bardon" i think his technics are very powerful.

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Re: Anybody can help this neophyte?

Post  baruck on Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:41 pm

I could only see your message today friend!

From since I started my research, the first job I found and I was attracted to was Bardon, even before I had access to Digimob files.

But've been around researching, learning a little here, a little bit over there, trying to find a "line" which I adapt well.

I liked the Golden Dawn style, although I think it complicated and tedious! rituals and rituals .... even though it is familiar to me, I feel a bit at home, but I'd really like something more direct and simple. And always comes to mind: Franz Bardon, Franz Bardon ... And I have not read any books of Franz Bardon ... what a shame! Embarassed

Suddenly arrive you and seems to me that is your first post, and you says: See Franz Bardon!

It even seems that Bardon chase me! I now have to check .... I have no way of escaping now...

I think what stopped me was some doubt whether it is even the author of the books or were just assigned to it, if it is complete, etc ...

Well, you somehow read my mind!

Thank you for come here, and give it a push in this beginner, I think that's what this forum needs courageous people who venture some advices for beginners and make a real Occult Digital Mobilization... Because many beginners like me will come hungry for knowledge to a happier and positive life and a best world!

Thanks to all who helped me!

I'll still need you friends in the future!

as above, so below

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