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Will I get to keep my girlfriend in Heaven?

Post  Skula on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:46 am

Which is a very silly question I know, but, I don't really mean heaven, just - I'm a little Gnostic, lah-de-dah, I've always been into occult philosophy and so on, but only recently I've decided to delve into the practical side. I'm currently memorising Qabalah attributions and reading people like Israel Regardie, and I'm working on beginning meditations, etc.

But, in my studies I have come across something that I'm very worried about; if I do achieve a unity with the Holy Guardian Angel, acquaintance with the Monad, a seat in Heaven, etc. the end-goal of Western Mystery Tradition, and that is not to say after my death (and not necessarily before) but during the process wherever it may be, will I lose my girlfriend? Is my love for her a vain, earthly thing that at some point I will be forced to surrender? Is it a mere obsession or distraction? This concerns me and I'd be grateful if anyone could shed light on this, thank you!

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Post  amandachen on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:24 pm

How old are you, Skula?
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Post  Skula on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:42 pm

19.

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Post  amandachen on Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:47 am

You need to break with your girlfriend if you are going to continue your studies.
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Re: Will I get to keep my girlfriend in Heaven?

Post  Skula on Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:43 am

What! Why?

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Post  amandachen on Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:30 am

Seriously, how old are you? Grow up, idiot. And don't mess with the occult like it's some stupid game.
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Re: Will I get to keep my girlfriend in Heaven?

Post  Skula on Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:46 am

Oh... I don't see how I'm treating it like a game?

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Post  Melichar on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:38 am

Skula wrote:
But, in my studies I have come across something that I'm very worried about; if I do achieve a unity with the Holy Guardian Angel, acquaintance with the Monad, a seat in Heaven, etc. the end-goal of Western Mystery Tradition, and that is not to say after my death (and not necessarily before) but during the process wherever it may be, will I lose my girlfriend?

This statement right here proves you know nothing of occult, the word end-goal, made me want to register on this forum just to tell you this is a living path, there is no such thing as ending, Crowley stated that this path is a journey that is never ending. If your worries are will materialism be kept in the after-life, you should probably find a new path.

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Post  Chakravanti on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:39 pm

What a bag of dicks you all are. The occult is full of 'end goals' that are clearly not "THE END" as it were. While there's nothing about his language that such he game-paradigms and even if he does, it can be extremely useful in one's self-control toolset if wielded properly on the right bolts of lightning.

@OP Here's the balls naked truth as best it can be condensed into an oversimplified one-liner: You will keep your SO as long as you (plural) Will.

Some proponants of Western occult tradition tends to ignore itself in child-rearing and partnerships because it is seen as anti-theitical to individualization and achieving true Will. It denotes partnership as deformative to achieving true Will and Children as Will stealers.

The truth is that it's just more difficult, perhaps even significantly moreso. However, it is likewise more rewarding when achieved.

Now bring on the hate for my mishmash east-west unified Will. Muahahahah. *rolls eyes*
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Post  x32 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:52 am

Chakravanti....might you translate that into something legible ??
Your thesis drips with unheard and untouched secrets of the universe,which makes me very curious to know exactly what you intend to say...
and please,use a thesaurus..maybe you could find a more appropriate term,euphemism if possible,for anything obnoxious you want to say.

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Post  Chakravanti on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:57 am

I'll tell you what obnoxious. A clarification request without particulars. If you understood nothing at all then I've no where to begin providing alternative explinations. Moreover, I don't think I care to for that kind.
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Post  x32 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:02 am

I dont understand arabic,.,,,and what u wrote is definitely not english...
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Post  Chakravanti on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:45 am

I'm denying you because I sense an attempt at not-so-subtle mockery. My target audience (OP) has indicated my post was valuable and that is sufficient for me. If you are interested in clarification, once again, you'll have to request specifics. If it was all alien to you but your request is genuine, then I cannot concieve of how I might begin unless you tell me what you do and don't understand with respect too what I've already posted. That gives me something to work with and understand where you're at. Gotta meet me halfway because I will not venture out into the void on the premise that the entirety of my composition is alien. If such is the case then there is no practical vector for seeking clarity.

Discussing the occult in de-mystifying ways is easily one of my favorite past-times and I'll not suffer any condescension for my proclivities or methods. I'll more than readily entertain objective critcism and debate, even as the devils advocate, if it is offered with a pure heart but I have that in my life already and am not prone to seek it from what is, IME, a culture of abusive condescension toward the end of circle jerking over an arbitrary set of cryptopmorphemetics rather than genuine endeavors to decrypt them for the seekers.

EDITS: Grammer - EDIT2: Addendum

I should add. I am not unfamiliar with peiople genuinely describing my words as alien. Many of my invokations, mantras and exercises involve chaotic alien nations for my own purposes so, alienation is not unfamiliar to me and I generally have to establish bridges by individuals. I'm rather versed in doing so when the seeker is true.

I may and well be misreading you by proxy of regularly negative experiences with internet occult communities and why I disdain to engage in them; however, this thread is the first time I've really encountered such on these forums. So I'm more than ready to admit a misread if a more specific supplication is made. I do not respond well to anything more or less than an approach from a peer even if we are in vastly different places. Latly, your next post must contain something of substance or you'll be ignored because of my frustration at these attempt to discern if you are genuine.
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Post  Melichar on Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:16 am

Alright, let me explain something. Something you will not be able to explain even the highest spiritual will be able to explain. Lemme begin,by saying, life, itself is meanless, without cause, we don't really need to exist, just look at the animals, and their trains of thoughts, you may think the lowest thoughts towards the occult, or you may say its for everyone, no, just stop trying to love everything that moves, that is a weakness, some/most people can't understand the true meaning of occult, its not about the knowledge, its not about the wisdom, its not about the keys to solitude, its not about anything thing, form, or anything towards you, yourself, your being, your god, your universe,, its you. Not you, the self that you depressed into being. Not you, the person you wished to perfection. but you, the person you wished for all occult secrets, not for anyone else, but for you, the person that you are. See, I Ching tried to teach, that you are you and no one else, but all occult tried to be rich and shit, tried to be something new, something more powerful like the capitalistic system that we preach upon, but take it or not if we are beyond all figments of our imagination, we are simple, without bullshit like "we are better than nature" or "we can become something more", fuck you. fuck you, let me say it again, fuck your goddamn fucking asshole. We are what we choose to be, we are what we decide to be, If I'm not goddamn ready to be on this forsaken fucking path, don't tell me so, let me fucking figure it out, you fucking goddamn hypocrite. I don't care what you believe, I don't give 0 fucking shits what you want, what you depend on, what you fucking goddamn preach upon, you may say all infinite fucking sayings in all the universe, but I will still say the same, I am, Me. No one else, I do not need to explain my being to anyone else, no one needs to know my routines, my anything what so ever, except, my preachings, which is this, learn how to life upon the very essence that you live upon.

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Post  Chakravanti on Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:01 am

Now there's clearly more valuable content there than in your last post; however, it defies engagement. Edit your post for some kind of basic sentance structuring if you expect any kind of serious response. Not that you do.

I could give a shit less if you aren't half as anal as I am about grammatic structure and I'm pretty fucking lazy most of the time. At least make an attempt to properly organize your presentation.

See that dude at the top of this page? He hates you and I cringe because you have sorely neglected and abused the gift given to you. Of course, as you say, not that it means a damn thing anyway. However, it most certainly can.


For now, this is the most I'll put forward:

If life is inherently meaningless, that does not mean that it cannot mean anything. Although it certainly doesn't have to, it Will.
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Post  amandachen on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:16 am

As you can see, people with all sorts of mental problems can be drawn to the occult.
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Post  Chakravanti on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:38 am

Your sense of humor made that clear right off the bat. Not that I'm claiming any room to judge but rather that the irony is what tickles mine.
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Post  amandachen on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:57 am

Chakravanti wrote:Your sense of humor made that clear right off the bat. Not that I'm claiming any room to judge but rather that the irony is what tickles mine.
I've no idea if you're trying to take a pop at me. Nobody can understand what you're saying.
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Post  Chakravanti on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:33 am

Clarity is subjective. You are not everyone. I believe you have read my introduction as you felt the need to quote the entire MWOT. Generally if you're respsonding to a post directly above yourself or OP you don't need to quote unless you want to pick out a specific point made.

That aside, the occult itself has no shortage of disturbing content for various reasons. To say the occult attracts the mental unstable or the converse, that it causes it, is absolutely asinine and is merely a slight. Slander obviously couched in ignorance.

I wouldn't charecterize Melichar's post as necesarily mentally disturbed, although a doctor might find such useful in making an assessment. I would, however, charecterize it as defying response of any practical kind. It is fair to say it's anti-social behaviour but I wouldn't go diagnosing people without an education in psychiatry or a greater depth of analysis of the individual.

My point is that writing people off with bullshit like 'mental problems' shows how little you understand such affairs and is rather insulting to people with mental health problems, such as myself. I'm not asking for an apology, just pointing out that maybe you ought to stick to what you're good at: assisting people find content.
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Post  amandachen on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:43 pm

Chakravanti wrote:Clarity is subjective. You are not everyone. I believe you have read my introduction as you felt the need to quote the entire MWOT. Generally if you're respsonding to a post directly above yourself or OP you don't need to quote unless you want to pick out a specific point made.
I'll do as I wish. Usually I quote someone's post in case they go back and edit or remove their text sometime.

Chakravanti wrote:I wouldn't charecterize Melichar's post as necesarily mentally disturbed, although a doctor might find such useful in making an assessment.
I wasn't talking about Melichar.

Chakravanti wrote: I'm not asking for an apology, just pointing out that maybe you ought to stick to what you're good at: assisting people find content.
I'm not involved with Digimob in any way. I'm just someone who posts in this forum sometimes. It says Admin under my name as some sort of joke.
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Re: Will I get to keep my girlfriend in Heaven?

Post  Skula on Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:21 am

Good lord this thread really took a turn for the insane.

Listen, guys. I don't really care as much as you all do.

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hahaha

Post  kazzyTheD on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:08 pm

i feel for you bro ..skula ..when people run around claiming you arnt right for the occult or that somehow your questions are suppose to spark rage instead of someone with a mind that can answer you .... I believe everything you have in this life is given to you by the higher power ....call it what ever you want..but if you idealize the higher power like a holy guardian angel , God of some kind , idol etc etc .. then its not the same thing..if it claims to have be a messenger then you need to check it to see if its right instead of fall into the illusion of emotions and good feleing you get form it .. you know you can be emotionally blackmailed by deities and other such things to like these things... when deep in you ..you dont want to like it .. which is basically you being forced by some really skilled cheater ...

According to most religious traditions you have to leave everything material to seek enlightenment ..like buddha did and other hindu sages .. and i think they do it in the western world also ..like monks and nuns ..This simply means you want to work for the greater Good and not get sidetracked by say materialistic thing..if you are thinking that attaining to some higher goal would mean you to let go of something you liked by force..i dont beleive thats possible .. If you want to say ..Keep your girlfriend in the loop ..then learn tantra and also consider her a Goddess on the Earth and in that way let her be a mediusm of the higher power for you ..medium meaning let her be the Good thing for you ..even if you feel its bad..just use what you got .. in the end you have to fight all the lies and hate and gain your own self respect by doing what you are skilled at ..what you were destined to be .. If i was you ..I would study up articals about destiny and fate and see if it applies to you ..because if you are drawn to the occult then most certainly you must have been given the destiny or fate of an occultist..so look that the up ..the best part being ...you dont have to belive in anything anyone says and just listen to your own heart ..

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Post  Tennessee_Arborist on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:34 pm

Chakravanti ... wrote:

If life is inherently meaningless, that does not mean that it cannot mean anything.  Although it certainly doesn't have to, it Will.

You said a mouthful. Every person's reality is his own to make of it what he will as he chooses. Take it, Make it, Own it. It is yours.

As for the original author of this post you guys seem to be abusing a simple question. The answer is unknown. HOWEVER, it is believed that souls travel in packs. Some choose to pass on to other realms, and some to return either for a penance imposed, knowledge, sheer pleasure or to guide others. There are many reasons for either choice, and innumerable belief structures debating this very issue. You have to find what you believe and hope for the best on your path. My advice would be to question yourself in all you learn believing there is a high likelihood what you  learn or believe could be false, searching yourself for lies within what you have learned and have been told so that you can change and grow over time. The more you learn the more you will find your own path. As for your girlfriend, don't force her into your beliefs. Learn from her, and grow with her. If she truly loves you for yourself, she will do the same with you.

If you can't learn and grow together changing yourselves for each other you don't belong together and the next life together should not really matter that much. If you can then only time will tell the answer to your question. No other person can give an honest answer. Even an oracle or psychic knows, The decisions and changes we each make in our own lives are what dictate life itself. Live your own life your way and make your own future.

Even a cell within a body can go against it's plan. It will either be flushed from the body, or it will become something new. Could be a cell in your fingernails absorbed more minerals and as a result strengthened them or less and weakened them. Are all your fingernails equally hard, or every hair equally long. If it was by pattern alone everything would be identical. Our choices are what define our individual lives, what we learn, share, build, and do fulfills our  lives, and everybody's lives taken as a whole the difference between a single cell and the body of life itself.
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Post  Nicky Lubu on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:03 pm

Hmmm, judging from my studies, no.
"Til death do you part"
"rebirth"
as for heaven, hmmm idk.
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