wicca and the formula of alhim/alim

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wicca and the formula of alhim/alim

Post  audeo on Sun May 08, 2011 7:26 am

would anyone care to elucidate or share interpretations of the contrast between the formulae of alhim and alim in relation to wicca? an entire book made from chapter 4 of magick in theory and practice would seem to be more helpful than reading all the works of all wiccan writers put together. it seemed that crowley was biased against witchcraft, and the comment provided by the 11th-degree O.T.O. editor balances the chapter.
lately i've been thinking about wiccan magick. it seems that it approaches the same thing as high magick from the opposite direction--for instance, the deities and spirits evoked are a little more vague than necessary, and you keep pointing out that they are all one (or two) anyway, whereas in high magick one might say it is better to be very specific in case the forces decide to be step out of line. the male is making a real sacrafice, just the kind of thing that women are always nagging us to do. instead of coming from above, the 11 power rises from the earth, and then rather than creating a new reality, it just rearranges things more suitably so that the path to the goal will naturally be taken due to the entropy/inertia/unconscious/habits and tendendencies of all parties involved. unlike in high magick, the result can always be explained as coincidence.
the elements of the new tetragrammaton of alim--they all suck, what can i say. can anyone describe what they think the lamed=saturn refers to using an example? and would anyone care to describe any advantages of using this formula which crowley abhorred?

and one unrelated question: is there a more common name/spelling of the egyptian god comche referred to in the liber 777?
thank you all.

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Post  worlock93 on Tue May 10, 2011 3:06 pm

and one unrelated question: is there a more common name/spelling of the egyptian god comche referred to in the liber 777?

If you mean Chomse (line 13) it's Khonsu, god of the moon.
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Post  amandachen on Wed May 11, 2011 12:41 pm

audeo wrote: it seemed that crowley was biased against witchcraft
Well, wicca didn't exist when Crowley wrote Magick in Theory and Practice.
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Post  Nicky Lubu on Wed May 11, 2011 8:32 pm

amandachen wrote:
audeo wrote: it seemed that crowley was biased against witchcraft
Well, wicca didn't exist when Crowley wrote Magick in Theory and Practice.

Pwn'd
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Post  amandachen on Thu May 12, 2011 2:58 am

audeo wrote: can anyone describe what they think the lamed=saturn refers to using an example? and would anyone care to describe any advantages of using this formula which crowley abhorred?
It's talking about a homosexual magickal rite based on anal sex.
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Re: wicca and the formula of alhim/alim

Post  audeo on Thu May 12, 2011 4:34 am

i do not think this makes any difference with regards to my question. crowley calls it "witchcraft." the neo-pagan movement may not have existed in its current form, but it was easy to see it coming. i think crowley saw a lot that was coming, especially relating to religion/spiritualism. gerald gardner was just about to begin it, and what he had in mind is exactly what crowley was referring to here. the whole scene is trying not to be something new but something ancient which was probably more familiar in britain in 1900 than it is to us today. i think that wicca/low magick/folk magic, including gardner and all the most popular writers on the subject, intend to work only under the formula of alim. they would say they work "at harmony with the elements." they aim not to transmute matter, as crowey put it. and what does this mean? it seems that wicca and high magick entail different motivations; they approach the issue and the goal from opposite angles, even though it often or usually makes no practical difference. it all stems from the formula. i am trying to think of some good examples and to understand low magick.
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Post  amandachen on Thu May 12, 2011 8:46 am

audeo wrote: i think crowley saw a lot that was coming, especially relating to...
We can pretend we know what Crowley thought, but then why do we need to study his texts? Why did he even bother writing anything, if it was all so obvious?

I think you are tuned into the wrong channel when you're reading Magick in Theory and Practice. It's either going above or below your head. When it says, for example, "Lamed is the King's Daughter, satisfied by Him, holding His "Sword and Balances" in her lap," the "sword and balances" is referring to his penis and testicles.
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Re: wicca and the formula of alhim/alim

Post  ezavan on Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:33 pm

hehehe

you can always count on crowley for some nerdy penis euphemisms...
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