AMORC materials

After reading some of the commentaries on the subject of AMORC materials I would like to add a few of my own;

1) The original materials published by H. Spencer Lewis were somewhat different from the subsequent materials published when his son Ralph Lewis became involved. These materials can be found in some of the Digimob's releases.

2) Like all educational materials, there is "wheat and chaff" to be sorted through; generally speaking, the AMORC of the Ralph Lewis era tried to back the teachings with as much "hard science" as they could. I have seen the original materials that the Lewis team had to work from; very cryptic at times. It took a lot of work to sort out without which the "basic material" that some people almost sneer at would have only appeared in public litterature in the seventies rather than in the 40's.

3) AMORC has had 2 "Imperators" since the passing of Ralph Lewis; thus the order's priorities changed twice in a relatively short time period. This is a common phenomena that can be sen in most mystical fraternal societies.

4) Although I have a full set of the "old monographs" I have not been in touch with AMORC for decade or two. I have heard that the newer monographs are some what "new age"; this reflects the fact that world leadership of AMORC now originates from France.

In conclusion, I would say that the promises that were made to me in the context of the temple initiations as far as the acquisition and application of knowledge are being fulfilled. AMORC encouraged personal research and an intuitive approach to synchronistic paradigm transformation that has been of great value to me.

I write this in partial fullfillment of an obligation/promise I took during one of the above mentioned temple initiations.

darktcmdoc wrote:4) Although I have a full set of the "old monographs" I have not been in touch with AMORC for decade or two. I have heard that the newer monographs are some what "new age"; this reflects the fact that world leadership of AMORC now originates from France.

In conclusion, I would say that the promises that were made to me in the context of the temple initiations as far as the acquisition and application of knowledge are being fulfilled. AMORC encouraged personal research and an intuitive approach to synchronistic paradigm transformation that has been of great value to me.

I write this in partial fullfillment of an obligation/promise I took during one of the above mentioned temple initiations.

Very thoughtful reflection, thank you for sharing it! Would you like to elaborate on the connection between France and "new age"? I thought that was mostly a North American phenomena...?

Khephra wrote:

darktcmdoc wrote:4) Although I have a full set of the "old monographs" I have not been in touch with AMORC for decade or two. I have heard that the newer monographs are some what "new age"; this reflects the fact that world leadership of AMORC now originates from France.

In conclusion, I would say that the promises that were made to me in the context of the temple initiations as far as the acquisition and application of knowledge are being fulfilled. AMORC encouraged personal research and an intuitive approach to synchronistic paradigm transformation that has been of great value to me.

I write this in partial fullfillment of an obligation/promise I took during one of the above mentioned temple initiations.

Very thoughtful reflection, thank you for sharing it! Would you like to elaborate on the connection between France and "new age"? I thought that was mostly a North American phenomena...?

In the late 70's and onward, the French AMORC's equivalent of the Rocicrucian Supply Bureau was selling a plethora of of non AMORC books on alternative healing, geomagnetics etc. and were encouraging their members to buy.

As far as public demos go, the French Grand Lodge was more specialized in "Way of the Heart" type of semi-kabalistic Martinist magic and sort of weak in the American AMORC "mind over matter" demos.

The French Grand Lodge had no instruction Bureau per se. I would say that if a member had difficulties with some of the monograph experiments, they would be likely to hit the new age books that the French Grand lodge promoted.

Interesting! I have a colleague who has been in AMORC for several decades and he's a bit New Agey... I thought maybe it was a West Coast thing, but maybe not!

darktcmdoc wrote:

1) The original materials published by H. Spencer Lewis were somewhat different from the subsequent materials published when his son Ralph Lewis became involved. These materials can be found in some of the Digimob's releases.

Where can I find the old monographs to download them?

mc_deathmask wrote:

darktcmdoc wrote:

1) The original materials published by H. Spencer Lewis were somewhat different from the subsequent materials published when his son Ralph Lewis became involved. These materials can be found in some of the Digimob's releases.

Where can I find the old monographs to download them?

I think digimob has some of the old Lewis materials.

I was told that someone put up the French monographs; I was never able to find them.

ankh_f_n_khonsu wrote:Interesting! I have a colleague who has been in AMORC for several decades and he's a bit New Agey... I thought maybe it was a West Coast thing, but maybe not!

Which brings us to the delicate question; what is new agey ?

darktcmdoc wrote:

I was told that someone put up the French monographs; I was never able to find them.

Let me know if you still want them, I'll set them up a torrent for you. I was actually going to do that a long while back, but I think that was when I was having internet problems and I forgot. I have monographs for the postulant and part of the neophyte, as well as all the monographs for temple degrees from 1-8 all from the early 40's (still searching for the rest of the neophyte and ninth+ monographs!) and I've compared them to the french ones. Though my french is fairly poor, there appears to be quite a few differences. So I'm inclined to think these french ones are later (maybe even the current ones) in use in the French speaking parts of the world. The number of monographs per section is different and the neophyte section uses the "atrium" delegation, which I believe is a later convention (though I may be wrong). Anyhow those are just my observations take them as you will

I'm currently trying to unravel a little mystery. I have a complete set of lectures from a group called the "Mystic Brotherhood University" who were located in Tampa, Florida. So far I've discovered that this group split off from AMORC in 1931 and survived until the 50's. In an old issue of AMORC's "Rosicrucian Forum" I discovered an article that attacks this group for publishing AMORC's material. It's interesting because AMORC was headquartered in Tampa after leaving New York and before settling in San Jose when this group came about. Yet I've been unable to find any history related this time period in AMORC's development or what led to this group factioning off. Anyhow, just figured I'd mention this for the sake of anyone who might find it interesting.

worlock93 wrote:

darktcmdoc wrote:

I was told that someone put up the French monographs; I was never able to find them.

Let me know if you still want them, I'll set them up a torrent for you. I was actually going to do that a long while back, but I think that was when I was having internet problems and I forgot. I have monographs for the postulant and part of the neophyte, as well as all the monographs for temple degrees from 1-8 all from the early 40's (still searching for the rest of the neophyte and ninth+ monographs!) and I've compared them to the french ones. Though my french is fairly poor, there appears to be quite a few differences. So I'm inclined to think these french ones are later (maybe even the current ones) in use in the French speaking parts of the world. The number of monographs per section is different and the neophyte section uses the "atrium" delegation, which I believe is a later convention (though I may be wrong). Anyhow those are just my observations take them as you will

I'm currently trying to unravel a little mystery. I have a complete set of lectures from a group called the "Mystic Brotherhood University" who were located in Tampa, Florida. So far I've discovered that this group split off from AMORC in 1931 and survived until the 50's. In an old issue of AMORC's "Rosicrucian Forum" I discovered an article that attacks this group for publishing AMORC's material. It's interesting because AMORC was headquartered in Tampa after leaving New York and before settling in San Jose when this group came about. Yet I've been unable to find any history related this time period in AMORC's development or what led to this group factioning off. Anyhow, just figured I'd mention this for the sake of anyone who might find it interesting.

Yes please, are those in english? believe me i'd really appreciate that .... let me know... I've been trying to look for them for years now... Thanks!!!

worlock93 wrote:

darktcmdoc wrote:

I was told that someone put up the French monographs; I was never able to find them.

Let me know if you still want them, I'll set them up a torrent for you. I was actually going to do that a long while back, but I think that was when I was having internet problems and I forgot. I have monographs for the postulant and part of the neophyte, as well as all the monographs for temple degrees from 1-8 all from the early 40's (still searching for the rest of the neophyte and ninth+ monographs!) and I've compared them to the french ones. Though my french is fairly poor, there appears to be quite a few differences. So I'm inclined to think these french ones are later (maybe even the current ones) in use in the French speaking parts of the world. The number of monographs per section is different and the neophyte section uses the "atrium" delegation, which I believe is a later convention (though I may be wrong). Anyhow those are just my observations take them as you will

I'm currently trying to unravel a little mystery. I have a complete set of lectures from a group called the "Mystic Brotherhood University" who were located in Tampa, Florida. So far I've discovered that this group split off from AMORC in 1931 and survived until the 50's. In an old issue of AMORC's "Rosicrucian Forum" I discovered an article that attacks this group for publishing AMORC's material. It's interesting because AMORC was headquartered in Tampa after leaving New York and before settling in San Jose when this group came about. Yet I've been unable to find any history related this time period in AMORC's development or what led to this group factioning off. Anyhow, just figured I'd mention this for the sake of anyone who might find it interesting.

Yes, I would be interested in the scanned monographs that you have; have you scans of the french, english of both sets of monographs ?

It is my understanding that the first set of French monographs were translated by Jeanne Guindon (sp), the first French AMORC Grand Master. After her transition, further translaltions were done by the late Raymond Bernard.

I am some what curious if your fouties monographs are similar to the set I have.

Darktcmdoc

darktcmdoc wrote:

Yes, I would be interested in the scanned monographs that you have; have you scans of the french, english of both sets of monographs ?

I just have digital copies of the french ones. The old english ones I have were collected over a few years of looking and looking and looking (and still looking and looking) The few newer english ones I have were those giving to me when I was a member. I will set up a torrent of the french ones when I get home from work later and send you the link.

It is my understanding that the first set of French monographs were translated by Jeanne Guindon (sp), the first French AMORC Grand Master. After her transition, further translaltions were done by the late Raymond Bernard.

I've searched through these to try and figure out where they fall in the AMORC timeline, but there's no dates, on anything.

I am some what curious if your fouties monographs are similar to the set I have.

I can probably scan a couple if you're interested in comparing. The postulant ones I have were easy to date as the original owner was kind enough to pencil in when they first received them on their inner covers. Amusingly, they are also printed on this thin fragile paper, with a note on the cover explaining the lack of materials due to the war effort or something to that effect.

please let us know

Some interesting reads, for those who can access some of the older esoteric materials from fraternal societies in the late 19th and first half of the 20th century;


http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/resources/

IMO, although this is not my field of "expertise", it almost seems as if some fairly advanced materials were released and distributed to different sources.

doc